{"id":42620,"date":"2024-01-10T17:28:43","date_gmt":"2024-01-10T17:28:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/2024\/01\/10\/us-on-cusp-of-debt-crisis-like-canada-in-90s-david-dodge-john-manley\/"},"modified":"2024-01-10T17:28:43","modified_gmt":"2024-01-10T17:28:43","slug":"us-on-cusp-of-debt-crisis-like-canada-in-90s-david-dodge-john-manley","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/2024\/01\/10\/us-on-cusp-of-debt-crisis-like-canada-in-90s-david-dodge-john-manley\/","title":{"rendered":"US on cusp of debt crisis like Canada in 90s: David Dodge, John Manley"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> \n<\/p>\n<div id=\"\">\n<header aria-label=\"Beginning of Article\" class=\"article-header article-header--story\">\n<nav aria-label=\"Breadcrumb\" class=\"breadcrumbs\" data-aqa=\"nav-breadcrumb\">\n<p>Breadcrumb Trail Links<\/p>\n<ol class=\"breadcrumbs__items list-unstyled\">\n<li class=\"breadcrumbs__item\">Economy<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<\/nav>\n<div class=\"article-header__detail\">\n<div class=\"article-header__detail__texts\">\n<p class=\"article-subtitle\">David Dodge and John Manley, who helped steer this country back to safety, say U.S. must act fast, even if it\u2019s politically risky<\/p>\n<div class=\"callout callout--noindent flex-align-center flex-justify-between\" data-callout=\"\"><span class=\"callout__text\"> Get the latest from Barbara Shecter straight to your inbox <\/span><button class=\"button button--icon button--primary-alt\" data-id-login-redirect=\"https:\/\/financialpost.com\/author\/bshecter\/newsletters\/\" type=\"button\"><span class=\"button__text\">Sign Up<\/span> <span aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"button__icon\"> <svg xmlns=\"http:\/\/www.w3.org\/2000\/svg\" viewbox=\"0 0 11 11\" width=\"11\"><polygon points=\"1.1 0 7 6 1.1 12 0 10.9 4.8 6 0 1.1\"\/><\/svg> <\/span><\/button><\/div>\n<div class=\"article-meta\">\n<p><span class=\"published-date__since\">Published Jan 10, 2024<\/span> \u00a0\u2022\u00a0 <span class=\"updated-date__since\">Last updated 16\u00a0minutes ago<\/span> \u00a0\u2022\u00a0 <span class=\"published-date__word-count\">7 minute read<\/span><\/p>\n<\/p><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<figure class=\"featured-image\" data-aqa=\"featured-image\"><picture class=\"featured-image__ratio\"><source media=\"(min-width: 1200px)\" srcset=\"https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/john-manley-david-dodge-0110.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=564&amp;h=423&amp;type=webp&amp;sig=4kTjxXt_DhrINdaT0aq1HQ,&#10;            https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/john-manley-david-dodge-0110.jpg?quality=90&amp;strip=all&amp;w=1128&amp;h=846&amp;type=webp&amp;sig=-73in6t7JR62zrmkaMb8Eg 2x\" type=\"image\/webp\"><source media=\"(min-width: 1200px)\" 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could learn a thing or two from the difficult decisions its northern neighbour took to remedy it.<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">David Dodge, who as deputy finance minister helped Jean Chretien\u2019s government steer the country out of a crisis fuelled by soaring deficits and debt-rating downgrades by using aggressive spending cuts and policy fixes beginning in 1995, said the U.S. must act quickly and decisively, even if it\u2019s politically risky or requires shaking up sacrosanct social programs.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_2\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment334162792211523101040231470596096\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 2<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-2\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[6,6],[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-interscroller=\"6x6\" data-ad-loc=\"2\" 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favourite authors.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/header>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>John Manley, who was in the Liberal cabinet at that time, agrees that U.S. lawmakers should act well before borrowing money becomes more difficult and expensive.<\/p>\n<p>The cost of servicing the U.S. national debt has already soared to the point where it outstrips hefty annual spending allocated to defence. Rising interest rates have helped push the debt-servicing cost to US$879 billion, a 23 per cent increase from a year ago, according to the Conference Board Inc. The situation signals to some that the country is facing a sovereign debt crunch such as the one Canada weathered in the mid-1990s.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Markets were losing faith, and so we were in real trouble<\/p>\n<p>David Dodge<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p data-async=\"\">\u201cWe had the crisis,\u201d Manley said in a Jan. 8 interview after discussing the likelihood of a U.S. debt crunch and Canada\u2019s experience\u00a0on a webcast with Dodge and economist David Rosenberg of Rosenberg Research &amp; Associates Inc. \u201cOnce you\u2019ve on a burning platform, it\u2019s best to get off it and we had a burning platform in 1994-95.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">A ratings downgrade on Canada\u2019s national debt in 1992, coupled with continued large deficits over the next couple of years, raised the spectre that the International Monetary Fund might need to intervene in the country\u2019s fiscal affairs as it had in the 1960s.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_3\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment291461982651064461045484486656\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 3<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-3\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[7,7],[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-interscroller=\"7x7\" data-ad-loc=\"3\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[7,7],[300,250],[320,50],[300,50]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-3\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>Chretien\u2019s government, in which Manley served as industry minister, tabled a budget in 1995 that ushered in drastic steps to reduce both the deficits and the debt by scrutinizing whether government programs were affordable, efficient and necessary. It resulted in a significant downsizing of the public sector and spending cuts that affected most federal departments and programs, from transport and natural resources to defence, as well as transfer payments to the provinces.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe did things that not everybody in the Chretien government wanted to do,\u201d he said. \u201cWe had more opposition in our caucus than we had in Parliament (where the opposition Reform party was in favour of cuts).\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">At the same time, Dodge said, Canada moved to address demographic-related funding issues with the Canada Pension Plan. It was unpopular, but put Canada ahead of the U.S., which is still dealing with politically contentious but necessary social security reform.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIn about 12 or 13 years, it\u2019ll run out of money, so they\u2019ve got to fix that element,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd no one wants to touch it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dodge said there are few signs the U.S. is prepared to address any of its debt and deficit issues.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"js-widget-content article-content__widget-group article-content__widget-group--content-slot28 article-content__widget-group--newsletter-slot\">\n<section class=\"newsletter-widget__new-story-page fp-headlinenews background--primary-light-gradient\" aria-labelledby=\"FinancialPostTopStories2994574447602263775693378984869888\" data-account-id=\"b9d3df2fccd108b5eff3c44f573b2cd6\" data-aqa=\"widget-newsletter\" data-newsletter=\"single\" data-newsletter-component=\"\" data-target-list=\"FP_HeadlineNews\" data-widget=\"newsletter\">\n<div class=\"newsletter-new-story-page-template\">\n<div class=\"newsletter-widget__header__new-story-page\">\n<div class=\"newsletter-widget__banner__new-story-page\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"Top Stories\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/dcs-static.gprod.postmedia.digital\/15.2.1\/websites\/images\/newsletters\/icon-fp-topStories.svg\"\/><\/div>\n<div>\n<p>Top Stories<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page\">Get the latest headlines, breaking news and columns.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"newsletter-widget__body__new-story-page\">\n<div class=\"js-replace-main__new-story-page\">\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__disclaimer__new-story-page text-size--tiny\">By signing up you consent to receive the above newsletter from Postmedia Network Inc.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"js-submit-success\" hidden=\"\" id=\"submitSuccessFP_HeadlineNews\">\n<p>Thanks for signing up!<\/p>\n<p class=\"newsletter-widget__text__new-story-page\">A welcome email is on its way. 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Please try again<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_4\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment8187105645573333307606302543839232\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 4<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-4\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-loc=\"4\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[320,50],[300,50],[300,250]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-4\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">\u201cThe first lesson is, you really don\u2019t want to let it go on at the rate it\u2019s going; you\u2019ve got to move really quickly and when you move, you\u2019ve got to move decisively,\u201d the former governor of the Bank of Canada said.<\/p>\n<h2>Hard lesson<\/h2>\n<p>That lesson was learned the hard way in Canada, with deficits growing even after Standard &amp; Poor\u2019s Corp. downgraded the country\u2019s credit rating in 1992. Moody\u2019s followed suit, lowering its rating in 1994 and again in 1995.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat fundamentally was our problem,\u201d Dodge said. \u201cBy the 1990s, we had interest costs that were eating up about 30 per cent of our revenues and that was just not sustainable. Markets were losing faith, and so we were in real trouble.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>A chunk of Canada\u2019s spending cuts that were eventually imposed\u00a0came from defence, a tactic that is unlikely to be copied in the U.S., particularly as geopolitical tensions rise, said Manley, who had a stint as foreign affairs minister as well as finance minister and deputy prime minister during his 16 years in politics.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cIf they get their arms around that and begin to reduce it, that imposes a burden on the rest of us in the western alliance to start to spend even more,\u201d he said. \u201cAnd, of course, we know how that\u2019s gone so far in Canada where we are seen as kind of a laggard within NATO and without much will to spend and pick up our part of what seems to be required in a world in which geopolitical tensions don\u2019t seem to be abating at all.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_5\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment8157314227226773184410594647736320\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 5<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-5\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-loc=\"5\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[320,50],[300,50],[300,250]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-5\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<h2>World-wide impact<\/h2>\n<p>What concerns Manley most if the U.S. doesn\u2019t make some hard choices to address the rising cost burden of its national debt is that a sovereign crisis there would extend well beyond the country\u2019s borders.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe trouble is, when Canada has a crisis, it\u2019s rough for Canadians; when the U.S. has a crisis, we\u2019re all being buffeted on those waves,\u201d said Manley, now a senior business adviser to law firm Bennett Jones LLP. \u201cWhen I was minister of finance (in the early 2000s), I asked one time: Could we model what a sovereign debt failure in the United States would look like? And we couldn\u2019t. We really don\u2019t know what it would be like.\u201d<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">Repeated stalemates over U.S. government spending and its debt ceiling \u2014 the most recent tenuous agreement reached on Jan. 7 still requires Congress to pass a series of appropriation bills to avoid a shutdown \u2014 provide him little comfort.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe fact that they flirt with it, with these debt-ceiling limits, doesn\u2019t give you a lot of confidence that there is behind the scenes a plan for how to act coherently and quickly when the crisis actually does hit,\u201d Manley said.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_6\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment1446951468637382992793852083961856\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 6<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-6\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-loc=\"6\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[320,50],[300,50],[300,250]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-6\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<p>Canada had a quick reversal of fortune in the 1990s, partly as a result of hard spending choices and policy reform, and partly due to luck, according to Manley and Dodge. The country went from running deficits of nearly $45 billion in 1995, or six per cent of gross domestic product, to a balanced budget in 1997 and surpluses by the end of the decade. Net public-debt-to-GDP fell to around 80 per cent from 104 per cent.<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\">One thing Canada had going for it then that the U.S. does not now is that the Conservative government of Brian Mulroney introduced the controversial Goods and Services Tax (GST), which the Liberals pledged to get rid of but ended up leaning on as they sought to balance the budget without raising taxes.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe had a revenue system that was more robust with the GST in place than the Americans do, so we weren\u2019t relying on having to raise income taxes,\u201d Dodge said, adding that the U.S. would probably have to raise taxes and cut spending to balance its books.<\/p>\n<p>Canada was also in a period of stable inflation and falling interest rates in the last half of the 1990s, which both Manley and Dodge said helped improve the country\u2019s books more quickly than anticipated.<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_7\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment5357727674301083403402724486676480\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 7<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-7\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-loc=\"7\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[320,50],[300,50],[300,250]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-7\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<h2>Canada not immune<\/h2>\n<p>But despite the lessons learned nearly 30 years ago, Manley said he\u2019s concerned the current Canadian government has forgotten the importance of keeping the debt and deficits under control, since the ramped-up spending to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic has not been reined in.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cMemory fades. The problem from my point of view is the credibility that the government needs to have in order to really discipline markets and manage expectations,\u201d he said. \u201cIt\u2019s so hard to gain credibility around these things so that global markets believe you, and it\u2019s so easy to lose that credibility, and I think we\u2019re on the edge of losing it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Complicating matters in the U.S., Manley said, is the failure of the two major political parties to agree on much of anything, regardless of whether the president is Republican or Democrat. He said the divided caucus he was part of in the 1990s pales in comparison to the deep divisions in U.S. politics.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cGetting consensus with other parties was not something that we really worried about; we worried about getting re-elected, which we were in 1997,\u201d he said. \u201cBut I think in the U.S. context, where getting an agreement on the day of the week is almost impossible \u2014 it seems to be divided on partisan grounds \u2014 finding the ability to do some of the very hard things that will be necessary in order to bring their situation in hand is what really concerns me.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<div class=\"ad__section-border article-content__ad-group ad_counter_8\">\n<section aria-describedby=\"advertisment855121685246285043364590472134656\" class=\"ad\">\n<p>Advertisement 8<\/p>\n<div class=\"ad__container\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner\" id=\"ad__inner-8\">\n<div class=\"ad__inner__container\" data-ad=\"[[1200,250],[1200,90],[970,90],[970,250],[728,90],[300,250]]\" data-ad-loc=\"8\" data-ad-mobile=\"[[320,50],[300,50],[300,250]]\" data-aqa=\"advertisement\" id=\"ad-8\" style=\"--desktopHeight:250px;--mobileHeight:250px\">\n<div aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"ad__placeholder\">\n<p>This advertisement has not loaded yet, but your article continues below.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<section aria-labelledby=\"moreTopicLabel2203642248592518826684455806042112\" class=\"more-topic\" data-aqa=\"embed-more-topic\" data-carousel-component=\"\" data-carousel-icon-button=\"\" data-carousel-type=\"list\">\n<p>Recommended from Editorial<\/p>\n<p><button aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"more-topic__button-prev\" data-carousel-prev=\"\" tabindex=\"-1\" title=\"previous\" type=\"button\"\/><\/p>\n<ol class=\"more-topic__items list-unstyled\" data-carousel-slide-list=\"\" tabindex=\"0\">\n<li class=\"more-topic__item\" data-carousel-item=\"\"> <picture class=\"more-topic__item-image\"><img decoding=\"async\" alt=\"The Bank of Nova Scotia building in Toronto.\" data-src=\"https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/no1201ScotiaBank.jpg?h=96&amp;strip=all&amp;quality=80&amp;sig=gApB9lrUqtu1j8evgXW5ug\" src=\"https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/no1201ScotiaBank.jpg?h=96&amp;strip=all&amp;quality=5&amp;sig=v_Bi9CIpSOMCvmfNMzJapA\" srcset=\"https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/no1201ScotiaBank.jpg?h=96&amp;strip=all&amp;quality=80&amp;sig=gApB9lrUqtu1j8evgXW5ug, https:\/\/smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital\/financialpost\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/12\/no1201ScotiaBank.jpg?h=192&amp;strip=all&amp;quality=80&amp;sig=zkO36Qkjo7OfZLPiPppdag 2x,&#10; 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This could include putting pressure on the U.S. Federal Reserve to ease inflation targets or reintroduce a program of buying government bonds.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI suspect we\u2019re going to get one of those sorts of reactions before we actually see Congress come to the conclusion that they have to both raise taxes and cut spending,\u201d he said, adding that the U.S. dollar\u2019s status as a reserve currency held by central banks around the world may provide some assurance that the bond market won\u2019t \u201cgive up\u201d on the country in the meantime.<\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\"><em>\u2022 Email: bshecter@postmedia.com<\/em><\/p>\n<p data-async=\"\"><em><strong>Bookmark our website and support our journalism:<\/strong> Don\u2019t miss the business news you need to know \u2014 add financialpost.com to your bookmarks and sign up for our newsletters here.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"article-content__content-group article-content__content-group--story\">\n<p>Article content<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<section class=\"article-content__share-group article-delimiter\" data-evt-val=\"{\" control_fields=\"\" data-evt-typ=\"page_scroll\">\n<p>Share this article in your social network<\/p>\n<\/section>\n<\/div>\n\n<br \/>US on cusp of debt crisis like Canada in 90s: David Dodge, John Manley<\/a><br \/>\n<br \/>2024-01-10 17:28:43<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Breadcrumb Trail Links Economy David Dodge and John Manley, who helped steer this country back to safety, say U.S. must act fast, even if it\u2019s politically risky Get the latest&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":42621,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[31],"tags":[],"class_list":{"0":"post-42620","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-economy"},"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42620","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=42620"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/posts\/42620\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/media\/42621"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=42620"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=42620"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pantheregroup.com\/api\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=42620"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}